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Why would "nothing" happen? what do you mean by nothing?

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you dont go to heaven, you dont go to hell, your not reincarnated, monkeys do not rule the world and you do not make friends.....:D
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However hard I try, I can not believe the bible. For one thing most of the stories told are completley impossible. For example, Noahs ark was supposed to be huge (I dont know how huge but I bet Glenn could help there:lol:) and supposedly made out of wood. I have sat through many science lessons where I have been told again and again why liners and ice breakers are not made out of wood, simply because they would break in half under their own weight. Also the number of animals taken onto the ark is stupidly big, and finding them all would require years, they didnt have that long!

Anyway, the second reason why I dont believe the good book is simply the way it keeps contradicting itself. There are many stories/teachings/advice in there which could not be true all at once. For example, it says that god forgives us all. So why do some go to hell? Surely he would forgive them? Although Glenn's previous post seemed to clear that up (I didnt understand much, but it seemed to help).

Ive always liked and was good at science in my school. However, the bible contradicts science in every way. Most stories in the bible are impossible if you go with science. It makes me wander how a scientist could ever be religious, yet some are (such as my parents)

I do, however, believe there is something/someone out there like God who helps everyone now and then by slightly tweaking events. I know because Ive sometimes had miracles before. Such as how I met my girlfriend, who was stranded in our local town because her parent's car had broken down. My mum had run low on petrol and stopped at the station and told me to get something from the shop just down the road where she was. Now that i think back at it, the chances my mum had run low on petrol just then, that her mum had broken down, that I just happened to want to help by nipping into a shop or two is incredibly small. Anyway I think Ive made my point, but that was, to me, a son of a miracle.:)
01.12.04 23:46
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It was a miracle that someone I know survived a car crash. She flipped and totaled her car. Everything about the car was basically destroyed. And her CD player was dying to begin with. Except for the driver's seat. She escaped with nothing but a scar on her leg. And she wasn't wearing a seatbelt! Science is studied by people. People make mistakes.

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02.12.04 00:25
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I know a woman I know was very stupid and opened her door while driving. Her seatbelt wasnt on properly and she was whipped out of the car and suffered a very serious injury to her head. Today all she has is a scar, no bones were broken and even her car managed to slow down on a grassy bank before crashing into something, yet another miracle!
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Quoted :: kikumbob

However hard I try, I can not believe the bible. For one thing most of the stories told are completley impossible. For example, Noahs ark was supposed to be huge (I dont know how huge but I bet Glenn could help there:lol:) and supposedly made out of wood. I have sat through many science lessons where I have been told again and again why liners and ice breakers are not made out of wood, simply because they would break in half under their own weight. Also the number of animals taken onto the ark is stupidly big, and finding them all would require years, they didnt have that long!

This answer is spoiled because it's INCREDABLY LONG, but it should appease you.
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Anyway, the second reason why I dont believe the good book is simply the way it keeps contradicting itself. There are many stories/teachings/advice in there which could not be true all at once. For example, it says that god forgives us all. So why do some go to hell? Surely he would forgive them? Although Glenn's previous post seemed to clear that up (I didnt understand much, but it seemed to help).

2 Peter 3:9
God is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

God does forgive people if they actively seek it. But, his patience is not unlimited, as was seen by the various times the nation of Israel was punished for disobedience (most notably the 40 year trek through the wilderness).
And here's another spoiler, containing the explination of hell.
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Those that are eternally condemmed include Adam and Eve, the people of Noah's day, the people of Soddom and Gomorrah, all adults but Joshua and Caleb entering the wilderness, those that condemmed Jesus (and showed no repentance), and those that will die in Armageddon. These have no ressurection/paradise hope for their massive sins.

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Ive always liked and was good at science in my school. However, the bible contradicts science in every way. Most stories in the bible are impossible if you go with science. It makes me wander how a scientist could ever be religious, yet some are (such as my parents)

I can't answer this one unless you give me an example.


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Quoted :: kikumbob
However hard I try, I can not believe the bible.
I'm not reading glenn's post as it's about 5 times longer than a long post I'd normally read, so I don't know what his point about this topic is, but I have to say I agree with you kikumbob. the bible is pretty unbelieveable in many ways, but keep in mind that it HAS been changed slightly over the 2000 years, so it's not surprising that some of the stories no longer make sense. some of the stories aren't meant to be taken literally (such as the 7 days of creation obviously wasn't 7 days as we know days, cause we judge days on the earth's rotation, and god couldn't have done that, but the point of the story is still valid.), as is obvious from reading some of them. the bible is a good guide to teach you how to live, and a good source of values, and that's what it was meant to be. just take the values and such from the bible, and form your life around them, you don't have to believe all the parts of the bible to do that.

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However hard I try, I can not believe the bible.
I'm not reading glenn's post as it's about 5 times longer than a long post I'd normally read, so I don't know what his point about this topic is, but I have to say I agree with you kikumbob. the bible is pretty unbelieveable in many ways, but keep in mind that it HAS been changed slightly over the 2000 years, so it's not surprising that some of the stories no longer make sense. some of the stories aren't meant to be taken literally (such as the 7 days of creation obviously wasn't 7 days as we know days, cause we judge days on the earth's rotation, and god couldn't have done that, but the point of the story is still valid.), as is obvious from reading some of them. the bible is a good guide to teach you how to live, and a good source of values, and that's what it was meant to be. just take the values and such from the bible, and form your life around them, you don't have to believe all the parts of the bible to do that.


I agree with you at least 95.3%! I mean some of the stories were said in a way so that the people of the time could get some sort of picture of it. Obviously something written thousands of years ago doesn't make complete sense to us. But it's the same messege only in a different form.
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Well, it's certainly nice to find someone that realizes that it wasn't seven literal days for creation. This is the first time in about four months since someone's said that on a forum I go to ;).

I'm sorry if the post was too long for you. I only put that in because he asked the question, and I was too lazy to filter through all the text to find the pertinent information. I might make a condensed form if you want it...
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Heaven or Hell, guys, youve got to believe.
03.12.04 22:03
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A week has no relevance to the earth!
a week is seven days, a day is based on the earth's rotation on its axis, so a week to us is not going to be the same as a week for anyone else. in the case of God, there's no planet or star to base a week off of, so the 7 "days" merely represent seven distinct periods of time that could be anything from a minute to a billion years long. in the bible it says that the solar systems, and animals and humans were made ina day, but we have evidence of large animals that predate humans by many many years, so obviously, it wasn't a "day" that all of those things were created in.

if I misinterpreted your post, then consider this post a further explanation of my earlier point for any one else who was confused.

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Gosh, you don't have to be all sceintific in all.:)
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No wait a week is one quarter of the lunar cycle (the moon) i think.

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Quoted :: Glenn

Well, it's certainly nice to find someone that realizes that it wasn't seven literal days for creation. This is the first time in about four months since someone's said that on a forum I go to ;).

I'm sorry if the post was too long for you. I only put that in because he asked the question, and I was too lazy to filter through all the text to find the pertinent information. I might make a condensed form if you want it...

No dont worry ive finally managed to read it all. Arkuryou said basicly the same thing, and after searching high and low I found a recording my dad made of a programme about the ark.

The programme basicly assumed that the stor was true but had been exagerated over the years. The conclusion that they finished with was that the ark was simply a trading boat, much smaller than what it is said to be in the bible, which shipped animals, food, and beer over a very large lake or estuary. Unfortunatly the traders set off to cross the water at exactly the wrong time. It was the time of year when the glaciers melted, swelling up the huge stretch of water and got them completley lost. They eneded up traveling out to sea, which made them think there was some kind of huge flood.

What the programme was trying to say was there was never a god involved. It managed to explain the situation very well, whithout using any supernatural explanation. I dont know what to believe now.
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